Saul Rosenthal, PhD


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I talked with my Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge, an expert on holistic child health. We discussed parenting with all of the added demands brought on by the pandemic.

Link to Show: Episode 2: Parenting While Sheltering in Place
Guest: Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge
Link of interest: Dr. Roseann’s Blog

Saul Rosenthal: Welcome to episode two of Life in the Time of Corona. A podcast exploring the many ways to stay healthy and sane in these strange times. I’m Dr. Saul Rosenthal, a developmental and clinical health psychologist. One of the biggest challenges that many of us are facing is parenting our children when we’re all stuck together at home. I’m very excited to talk with today’s guest, Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge. Dr. Capanna-Hodge is the founder and director of Dr. Roseann and Associates. She is absolutely a thought leader at integrative and pediatric mental health care and has helped thousands of children and their families by spearheading innovative and holistic approaches to many difficult conditions. Dr. Capanna-Hodge has shared her expertise in articles, books, presentations and many media outlets. Thank you so much for joining us today.

Roseann Capanna-Hodge: Well, thank you for this important conversation because parents are inside with their kids and they’re feeling a lot of things, including frustrated. Some are excited, because there actually are some people kind of rocking the quarantine thing. But a lot of parents are feeling low on their resources right now, so this is a great conversation.

Saul Rosenthal: Just to put it in context, as of today, the US has over 18,000 confirmed deaths from the coronavirus. Here in Massachusetts, we’ve got over 20,000 confirmed cases. How are things where you are in Connecticut?

Roseann Capanna-Hodge: Yes, so we’re on the border of New York, so we’re in the hotbed area. We’re really a suburb of New York City. Things are difficult. I mean, people are staying inside. The roads and the stores and everything are virtually empty which is great, but there have been many impacted people. I have friends that have had it. I have had friends lose parents from COVID-19 and it’s… you know, it’s a hard time for a lot of people, and a lot of businesses.

Saul Rosenthal: Absolutely. And for yourself, what are some of the biggest changes that you’ve gone through?

Roseann Capanna-Hodge: Well, I think the biggest change that I’ve gone through is that I was traveling all over the place doing media and going to conferences and doing speaking engagements and that completely stopped. So they are mostly virtual at this point and then I’m just not… we’re doing virtual appointments, virtual psychotherapy, but a lot of what our center in Ridgefield, Connecticut does is neurofeedback and biofeedback, and we primarily do that in person. There are a few people that we do it remotely with that have their own equipment. So I’m not seeing people on a day-to-day basis, and really missing my clients, because they’re a lot of fun.

Saul Rosenthal: And how about your clients? What are they talking about as their biggest challenges right now?

Roseann Capanna-Hodge: Yeah, I mean, I think the biggest challenge is… we’re going to do a Facebook group next week, so this will be over what we call the “chill challenge” because really what I’m noticing for people is they’re stressed. There is a fear of uncertainty, and feeling overwhelmed, but really parenting challenges. I think parents are not sure how to parent during this time. They’re forced with managing schooling with their kids. While most of my families are working, and they’re working from home at the same time… including myself… working at the same time, but I already had one child who was being homeschooled due to Lyme disease… at different points we’ve homeschooled him, and then my younger child is homeschooling. But I’m very fortunate because he went to a private school and many private schools have chosen to do Zoom classroom, so he really is fully engaged for, you know, six hours during the day. So we’re working together. He has his own office, and I have my office, because we go to work, and we’re able to get through it and it presented with some challenges on the first few days and we’re very lucky to have a routine and he’s the kind of kid where he thrives, as all kids do, in routine. And that’s one of my biggest tests for parents is to just create structure and routine the best they can. And so we figured that out and what he needed and he’s very, very vocal about what he needs which is great for us, but even if your kid isn’t vocal about what they need, you can watch for signs, you know. So a great example was… his name is John Carlo, my nine-year-old, he’s practically famous at this point. And John Carlo was talking to us prior to the start of, you know, actually doing these lessons on-line, and I asked him a question like, “Okay, on the second day do you still need an adult sitting next to you the whole time?” And he turned his head and he said, “No I don’t.” And I said, “Hmm, I’m not really too sure that’s really the case.” And he said, “Well, you know, do you think you could be there for a half-day?” And I said, “I’ll be there whenever you want, let’s just work it out.” And you know, you could just see a difference in him, he looked up, he was smiling. Really paying attention to your child’s body language when they’re talking to you is always important, but during this time now when we’re all feeling a lot of stress, it’s a great way to really gauge what’s going on with your kid.

Saul Rosenthal: So paying attention to not just what they’re saying, but how they’re saying it. And what are some of the things that parents might notice in their kids today given all these changes we’re all going through?

Roseann Capanna-Hodge: Yeah, so I think across the developmental spectrum, you’re going to notice some kids may be in general more anxious. They may potentially have some sleep problems. I think kids are missing their friends, especially if… like in my case, my kids are 5-1/2 years apart, so we do come together as a family. I think kids are feeling bored, and you know, depending on the structure that you have in place, they may be struggling more or less if somebody is putting too much structure in place, or not enough, you can create the same kind of feelings, communication issues, but within that developmental spectrum, I think younger kids are just going with it, right? If you have activities, they tend to not show stress in the same way in this current situation. But in all groups, if somebody had preexisting anxiety, depression, OCD, whatever mental health issue, or a physical problem, you really want to be extra mindful, and now is not a time to discontinue with your child’s therapist or a family therapist. You’re going to need it more than ever, and thankfully, pretty much 90% of therapists have quickly learned how to do secure virtual therapy.

You know, middle schoolers and high schoolers who have much more of an awareness about what is going on, maybe vocalizing. So you know, we were in the car driving to my office right, just us. And my nephew who works for me, we were talking, and unfortunately one of our office staff, her father-in-law died from COVID, and so he was an elderly gentleman, like the classic most common person to pass from the lung-related issues and my little guy just quickly vocalized like, “Hey, I don’t want to talk about this anymore, this is really kind of scaring me.” Now again, I’m really lucky he talks like this, he’s a therapist’s kid, but… he came out of the womb like this, right? So those people that are listening and have kids like this, they know exactly what I’m talking about, because my other kid wouldn’t do this. My other kid would show behaviors. So I was like, “Okay”, you know, so I was like, “Just so you know”, so, I reassured, really important to reassure.

But your teenagers and your older kids, minus my 57-year-old nine-year-old, they’re going to tell you things. They may withdraw. You know, teenagers who already naturally want to differentiate away from you, they may be doing more of that. So those are those kind of things. My best advice for all kids of every age as a parent, is they talk more when they’re doing physical things. Whether that’s physical activities or movement of any kind or a board game or a card game… playing a lot of Uno in the Hodge household, love Uno… gonna whip out Connect-4, because I love Connect-4, it’s my all-time favorite.

So when you’re doing things and you’re around each other and there’s a physical component and you’re not like, “Hey, we’re sitting down and we’re going to talk about your feelings about people dying and thousands of people sick,” that’s just typically not the best way to approach things, right, for most kids. Some kids you can, right? But do some activity and let the conversation flow, and again, when you are talking to them, pay attention to their body language, what they’re showing you. That means you’ve got to put your phone down. We’re a little overly tied to technology but we’ll talk about that and you know, just have conversations and see what comes up. But you know, kids show… of all ages, they show it with physical signs, sleep as I mentioned, stomachaches, pulling away behaviorally. You might have emotional outbursts. Just a variety of things. So pay attention to those and what I always do is I say, “Hey, I’m stressed out too, it sounds like you’re feeling a little off right now, is there something I can do for you?” Because usually that’s really important, especially for teenagers, you don’t want to create something that’s going to give them a defensiveness.

Saul Rosenthal: Right. So you want to be honest with them in a developmentally appropriate way. I have noticed with some of my teenage clients, but also my own teenager, who is 14, when I’m talking with them, looking at them is actually not a great thing to do… looking them in the eye. I find that a lot of my best conversations are actually when we’re either doing something side-by-side or I’m not looking straight at them, and I think that may be related to what you were talking about, that you often have better conversations with younger kids and teenagers when you’re doing something.

Roseann Capanna-Hodge: 100%. And, you know, some of my best conversations are in the car. You know, again being a therapist, I’ll never forget one time my teenager said to me, “You always try to get me in the car because I can’t go anywhere,” and I was like, “Yes!” And you know, not a lecture, but just, like, a conversation, like talking about… but you’re right, side-by-side activities, you know, teenagers don’t… they’re uncomfortable in their own skin and they don’t want to necessarily look you in the eye and that’s just forever, that’s just the way it goes.

Its just, people are going to be more heightened, and I think it’s really important that I didn’t say this… and I’ve been saying this a lot, you know, parents need to put their own oxygen mask on right now. So if you’re freaking out… we’ll talk about that… but if you’re really highly stressed, which you could be… it’s going to be transparent, your kids are going to pick up on that and it will filter down. So you have to take care of yourself first, and that is something that particularly mothers are not very good at doing because we’re so used to being the caretaker, and I’m really, really hoping, Saul, that one of the things that comes out of this whole experience is that people realize that daily self-care should be something that will remain and is necessary not just for them but as a teaching… you know, time for their child and that their children pick up on these skills as well, because I do see people very positively you know, doing breath work, and picking up a little HeartMath biofeedback and doing some meditation and yoga and these are things that you shouldn’t just do right now, but should continue to do because it lowers your stress. And I like to call these tools, like, stress repellant. You know, once your nervous system is much more regulated, you’re not as irritated in the same way.

Saul Rosenthal: Absolutely. I mean, I’m finding sort of the first week of things everybody was crazy, but by the second or third week, one of the things that a lot of parents… not just parents… but a lot of people are doing is turning the news off. That seems to be a very concrete way of helping to modulate the stress because you’re controlling the flow of information.

Roseann Capanna-Hodge: Yeah, and you can do that, so… I’ve always been a newspaper reader for that very fact… that I can look at a headline and then be like, oh I’m ready for this right now or maybe I’ll save this for another time, or whatever it is, so it’s important, it’s important, and people really have very valid reasons… you know, fear of illness, fear… loss of a job, and we were able to… you know, our center, we have a staff of 18, we were able to basically keep everybody on except for three people. So we were able to do other things… or we are doing other things at this time, because that… you know, I did what I could to support my staff. Not every business can do that and it’s just a hard time financially for people. And at the same time, there’s so many people working more than they ever worked, and with that, they’re homeschooling at the same time and that’s really, really hard… like you know, this is a pressure that nobody’s experienced.

And when you’re preparing to work with your kid at home, you know, and I mentioned that structure and routine, and that is critical. And that’s really a schedule, like we have a visual schedule for all the days of the week for my kids, and then I go over my schedule with my kid who’s doing the work with me at work, and I also let him know, “When mommy’s in this room, you can’t come in”… because that means I’m on a live interview. And he gets it. He’s already been trained. He knows this kind of stuff, but there’s been a couple of hiccoughs where you know, somebody comes in and you know, that’s okay. So I told him. He knows the deal, “So if you come in and you see that I’m talking, you just back out. Don’t say anything, just back out”, you know, he’s been in quite a few little interviews by the way, but you just go with it. You don’t try to freak out about it, because it’s just going to create a lot of… you know, these are things that are happening. It’s life, right?

Saul Rosenthal: Absolutely, and you know, talking about how some people are working even more than they used to. Other people are working while balancing having their kids at the same time in a different way, just everything is so novel, and I think uncertainty is a big factor and you’ve started to talk about having a set up routine, but I was wondering if you can maybe give a few other thoughts about that or some advice to parents, given everyone’s uncertainty and how different everything is.

Roseann Capanna-Hodge: Yeah, and you know, this is not just for parents to set up for your kids. This is really even for yourself. You really need a schedule. You’ve got to have it and on your schedule for yourself and your child, you put everything in. Like, I literally keep forgetting to eat lunch. I know everybody’s talking about the “corona fifteen”… that’s not going to be me, because I’m like… just have a different routine, so I’m like, “Oh, I keep forgetting to eat lunch”, like it’s happened to me at least 50% of the time and then 3:30 or 4:00 rolls around and I’m like, “Why am I so hungry?” And then I realize I never ate. So I’m, like, okay, you know, and make sure you have lunch on your schedule, doing exercise breaks are on my schedule, and it’s the same thing for my kid, super-important, and then you know, like, okay so I’m a big gym person, so I used to go 90 minutes to 2 hours three times a week. So I don’t have that, so I had to restructure that and right before… what was I doing before I hopped on this podcast… is I was working out.

So you got to make sure those pieces that are there need to still be there and you know, your child of all ages, and your teenager may resist a schedule, but you’ll have to negotiate a schedule with them because we all benefit from structure and routine and when it’s not there, we can feel anxious and people might say bored or whatever, they might start social scrolling, and you know, doing a lot of excessive media watching or engagement. You really have to be careful because you go down that rabbit hole and, you know, not to say that you shouldn’t listen to a podcast when you’re working out or I was even watching a training in one of my Facebook groups this morning when I was on my treadmill, but I would have always done that kind of thing.

So just don’t spend the entire two days Netflix binge-watching every show known to man. So I think people are moving on from that, but some people aren’t and it’s very easy to, you know, when you’re not physically moving, and many people in the United States tend to walk outside their homes. Some people really can’t if you’re living in the middle of New York City, you know, most people are trying to stay inside.

But when you’re moving, it creates positive energy and for mental health you know, that’s incredibly important, whether you have an existing condition or not, you need to get the lymphs moving. We know a certain amount of activity, as little as 30 minutes three times a week can reduce symptoms of ADHD, you know, really, really can help for productivity as an employee, but you know, just to preserve your sanity. You know, there’s a lot of funny memes, drinking memes going on right now. Not the greatest thing. It’s not the best coping mechanism. We already all know that. I’d rather you learn, you know, master some green smoothies right now. That would be a much better choice.

Saul Rosenthal: So we should be doing a lot of the things we hopefully are typically doing to keep ourselves sane, but it sounds like we need to be more planful or deliberate in things like scheduling or exercise, or even eating lunch.

Roseann Capanna-Hodge: You know, and so true, because we had a schedule, right? Like my schedule was set, like you know, seven days a week before this, this is the way it was, even though the only thing that ever got in the way with my workout was if I was traveling and even when I was traveling, I made sure that every hotel I stayed in had a gym, and I was there. So you have to put that there. It’s just going to be a lot harder to jump back, right, like we don’t know, part of the fear and the uncertainty is also not knowing when this is going to end, right? And so it’s a great tip and a tool and it will really help with parenting. I can tell you that when I go off schedule, that’s when I have meltdowns from my kids. They like that. There’s a comfort, there’s a predictability, and you know, one of the biggest determinants of stress is feeling like you don’t have control, and so by putting control, giving yourself control, showing children how they can take control, you’re going to reduce those anxious feelings.

Saul Rosenthal: Many of us are now on our screens more, and I was sort of thinking about that as you were just talking about how we’re using our screen time to sort of give us that structure even more, perhaps, than we did before we were all sheltering in place. And so I’m wondering if you have any thoughts about screen time, particularly as parents for their kids, because a lot of parents now are using the screens even more as sort of a babysitter because they have to be working.

Roseann Capanna-Hodge: Yeah. Well first, I want to say, forgive yourself. Because you got to do what you got to do. You need to make sure that you’re paying your mortgage and the groceries, and everything else that you have to do. So if your kids have to pop on a movie while you do a Zoom conference call with your boss, that’s what’s going to happen, and you shouldn’t feel guilty about it. But some really good tips, literally like outside your door that you’ve closed, right? Like I’m in a room in my house that has the best lock, and you know, I’ll put a sign that says, “Instead of knocking on this door, get Legos, grab a snack, play with the cat, read your book”. Give them concrete options. Your teenager will burn that and rip that up.

Saul Rosenthal: Absolutely.

Roseann Capanna-Hodge: They will. But you know, I usually just tell them in advance, like this is what we need to do, but screen time, you know, is always an earned privilege. So those same rules should apply if you can, right? So you want to have an hour of screen time? Then I need you to do this, this, and this. And just like you know, you would any other time, you don’t give it to them before they do it, right? We don’t get our paychecks before we do the work. We get it after. And really be explicit. I think, you know, communication in any relationship breaks down due to two different expectations, and you know, you can think this, and they can think this, but if neither one of you had said it, oh boy, you’re going to get a lot of disappointment. And that’s why a lot of friendships or love relationships fizzle out.

So be clear, you know, if you have to have a family meeting about what the screen time is, then do that but if you are really, really limiting screen time, you have to provide them options. You can’t just say, “Go figure it out.” You’re going to have to say, “Okay, let’s go through the games, let’s pull out the games that you want. Okay, do we have all the art supplies you want?” You know, do fun stuff, like have an Amazon box challenge. We’re doing… we always did a lot of cooking at our house. I didn’t need to stock three months’ worth of food, it’s automatic in my house.

Saul Rosenthal: Uh-huh.

Roseann Capanna-Hodge: So we’re doing different cooking things, and then everybody has to participate or whatever. I’ve been seeing such creative things from families, like it’s kind of cool. Some people are doing like, formal dinner or they are using media… they’re using Zoom. Like this week, my friend invited me to a Seder on Wednesday night and I was supposed to go, different time zone, and it was late, and my little guy said, “Mom, I can’t be on the computer, I can’t get on its screen”, and I just texted my friend, I was like, my kid said what I was thinking. I don’t want to be on a screen right now. And she was of course… like, “Of course”, so know your limits, and I think that’s really important, but for a parent that has to work, and they need to have their kid… you know, I literally coordinate, like, “Okay, you’re going to do this while I’m on this”, right? You know, if you’re using a tutor, have the tutor on while you’re on your Zoom call or whatever it is, you know, plan it out.

Saul Rosenthal: So again, a lot of it is about concrete routine and how we just need to be more planful about it all.

Roseann Capanna-Hodge: Yeah. And talk about it. Like, just don’t spring things on kids and say, “Well you should have known that”. No. Be super-concrete. Put it in writing and have a family meeting about it.

Saul Rosenthal: And I think particularly now, that’s even more important because our kids are going through the exact same thing we are and we’re all going crazy, so we can expect that they are too, and it’s out job, though, to oversee and manage all of that.

Roseann Capanna-Hodge: Yeah, absolutely. And you know, they keep saying… so, like, New York just declared nobody’s going back until September. It’s going to happen everywhere. They’re just not doing it because they don’t want everybody to freak out. It’s going to happen, people. So getting a routine is going to be so helpful, and it will probably help you in the summertime where we don’t know what’s going to happen in the summertime. Are kids going to camp? Let’s hope they are.

Saul Rosenthal: Absolutely. And when you talk about the schools. When you mention the schools, that made me wonder… or reminded me about something I’d been wondering about, which is what do you think is going to be almost the developmental impact… for example, for teenagers… our teenagers should be out more, they should be driving around, they should be going out with their friends, building that sort of independence and autonomy. I’m curious what you think will kind of be the developmental outcome or even what the impact for schools starting in September might be?

Roseann Capanna-Hodge: Yeah, well, there’s a lot of pieces in that, so I think you know, the impact for schools in September. We have no consistency in education right now, and everybody is doing the best that they can, right? This was not anything that was planned for. I can tell you this, after this, every school will have a backup virtual plan in place, right? So for me, I feel like my kid, who’s getting six hours of instruction via Zoom is pretty good. Like, there’s not necessarily a huge loss for him. Other kids might be doing an hour of work a day. So as somebody who is a homeschooling parent, what I want to talk about is kids potentially… most kids are going to be behind, and lagging in certain areas, and schools are going to have to work on that. We don’t know that the long-term ramifications are of that and that’s just a part of coronavirus. When World War I and World War II happened, kids didn’t go to school either, right? So it’s not the same, but that’s probably the only comparable thing.

So you know, we have to say, “Okay, my kid didn’t grow in this area or even fell behind, because some kids really regress, particularly our learning disabled kids. So what I would think about, and not rely on the school for, is how can you use the months ahead through the summer on your own to continue to sharpen those schools, can you do some on-line classes. There’s all kinds of free things. Do you need to make sure you’re doing reading, writing, and math. Those are the three key pieces, but does it have to be just reading or writing, can you do science, right? As a former homeschooling… for four years, when I homeschooled my son due to Lyme disease, everything was science and history. So all areas were taught through that, and through that content, and he loved it. So think about what you can do to keep your kid’s skills moving forward.

On the developmental side with kids and independence and teenagers, I think teenagers will snap back in. I think teenagers are going to be, like, “Boy did I miss my friends.” I know some teenagers are not abiding by social distancing right now. That’s a whole conversation in itself. I don’t know if parents are letting them out… I don’t know what’s going on. We had to close down all of our parks in our town because kids were not listening. So it’s normal for kids to break the rules, it just is. But this is much more serious and parents need to have that kid conversation and they need to help them find ways to stay connected. Maybe it is giving them more time… I’m using Minecraft, but a server, where the kids can actually interact or some other fun kind of thing, because that’s the only way that they can. I mean this is what… when we were teenagers, just like our teenagers… they want to be social. They want to do stuff. So I’m hoping that people will have a renewed sense of spirit. You know, I’m not hearing about teenagers bullying each other right now, so I’m hoping that kindness will transcend this, because people are being way more generous and kind right now, like it’s a lovely, lovely thing. That’s the sort of what this time reminds me of… of a connection, right, and I think some people are embracing that. They’re just finding their stride and that’s okay, and it shouldn’t be perfect, because it’s never going to be.

Saul Rosenthal: So you’ve been talking a lot about routines and how to be mindful or planful about them as well as how they help our kids manage the stress and anxiety they’re going through and maybe even build connection among us. I know you also have a lot of interests in nutrition and lifestyle issues, and I wonder if you have any thoughts about how we might be able to build on that?

Roseann Capanna-Hodge: Yeah, I mean you are what you eat, and nutrition is so important for brain health, and so many people… 54.2% of US children have a physical or a mental health issue. And parents are always sort of told, “Oh, you know, there’s not a pill for that, there’s not much you can do”. And we know that to be not true, and so nutrition is the basis, so getting nutrients in, so people get really hung up about nutrition because they’re like, “Oh, I have to give up this, and I have to give up that”, you know, really what it’s about is putting food in your body that will have high density nutrition to make your neurotransmitters work better.

There’s just so much you can do and just sort of a general diet would be an anti-inflammatory diet which is really increasing fruits, vegetables, non-dairy protein, and healthy fat. And healthy fats are things like avocado and coconut oil, and eggs, ghee. You know, and I use a lot of almond milk and nut products and whatnot, and we need this, and so taking this time to improve our nutrition, you’re bringing it in the house, so there’s lots of great nutrition that you can bring in, and I do very much believe in supplements. We have a lot of genetic mutations… that’s a whole other topic. I have a great blog that talks about nutrition for lots of different things… for ADHD and anxiety and depression, and even immunity for right now.

So people should feel empowered by nutrition, by nutrients, by stress management techniques, including neurofeedback and biofeedback, and meditation. These are all very accessible things that can support the average person, the regular neurotypical kid, but all those kids that have everything from ADHD to depression and anxiety, learning disabilities… it’s a long list of you know, conditions, because kids are really struggling with this today. And I think parents today are realizing; there are some great funny memes out right now about parents realizing that the teacher wasn’t the problem, and that their kid actually is struggling.

And so I hope parents use this time to try to increase nutrition and also to think about things after that can help reverse clinical conditions, like neurofeedback which has you know, thousands of research studies, and you know, to do biofeedback, and just a bunch of other… you know, psychotherapy, other techniques that could really help your child and parents need to… that’s my platform, is letting parents know that they can change the way that their child is behaving and learning, paying attention, with holistic and very, very effective tools.

Saul Rosenthal: Well thanks. There’s so much more I’m sure we can talk about and I’m wondering, if your willing, just to answer a couple of what I’m calling “Just One Thing” questions?

Roseann Capanna-Hodge: Sure, go for it.

Saul Rosenthal: So what’s one thing that people should take away from our discussion?

Roseann Capanna-Hodge: That… the one thing that parents should take away from this discussion is that there is a lot they can do to support their own mental health and their child’s mental health on any day, but especially during quarantine and I would start with stress techniques. That is the number one thing that they should be doing right now.

Saul Rosenthal: Great. And what is one thing you’re doing to take care of yourself?

Roseann Capanna-Hodge: I do self-care every day. All the time. So my favorite thing as a woman in her 40s is I use a device called BRT, and it’s a combination of PMF and biofeedback, and it just regulates my nervous system because your body knows no difference between good or bad stress, and I have stress like everybody else has right now, but in my… you know, outside of corona, I also have a lot of fun stress, and exciting things going on, so that’s really super important and I do multiple things every single day, seven days a week to keep my nervous system working healthily, so that whatever arises, I can be prepared for it.

Saul Rosenthal: What is one thing you think that this coronavirus experience has changed about us forever?

Roseann Capanna-Hodge: I really think that what is going to be changed forever is that people are going to value health. And as a culture, we don’t prioritize health in the same way that other cultures do. And I really believe that after this experience, people will realize, “I need to take better care of myself, and I can.”

Saul Rosenthal: Roseann, I really appreciate all the information and advice you’ve shared with us today. And listeners, thank you for joining me during “Life in the Time of Corona”. You can subscribe to this show at iTunes or wherever you get podcasts. Please rate the show and leave comments. Find out more at my website, and follow me on Twitter and Instagram @DrSaulRosenthal. Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge is the founder and director of Dr Roseann and Associates at She is an innovator and thought leader for integrative child health. Dr. Capanna-Hodge provides clinically valid holistic therapies for a variety of health issues, including anxiety, ADHD, autism, executive functioning, learning disabilities, Lyme disease, concussion, pediatric mental health, and parent coaching. She is a board member of the Northeast Regional Biofeedback Society and a coauthor of the book Brain Under Attack, a Resource for Parents and Caregivers of Children with PANS, PANDAS, and Autoimmune Encephalitis. Also, be on the lookout for her new podcast, The Parent Coffee Talk. Roseann, thanks so much for joining us.

Roseann Capanna-Hodge: Thanks for having me. Be well everybody, and take care of yourself and your family.

Saul Rosenthal: Absolutely, and thank you, listeners, for joining us. I look forward to continuing the conversation on Life in the Time of Corona.

April 20th, 2020

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